• RAO: You did another documentary afterwards, "HIV and Me", which was also very powerful in its nature. You are openly gay yourself, but you know, for many years, tried desperately to keep it a secret. What was that time like? And eventually, when you did come out, what did your family think? Were they accepting?
• FRY: Well, I wouldn't say I tried desperately to keep it a secret for many years. I mean, when I was 12, 13, 14, I certainly didn't want to share it with anybody because that was at a period when it was extremely difficult. You know, it was illegal until you were 21. There was no internet. There was no youth television. There were no magazines except, you know, pornography. There was nothing to tell you that you weren't a shameful, you know -- a shameful, perverse, you know, waste of humanity. That you were "god's mistake". That it was a disease or a perversion or an inversion or some other, you know, horrific phrase. All I had to make me feel secure, and it's a thing I am very grateful to my sexuality for, is literature. And we're here in a library, and I -- all I found was that there were people who'd been there before me.